{"id":896987,"date":"2023-10-10T07:10:54","date_gmt":"2023-10-10T07:10:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/?page_id=896987"},"modified":"2025-12-05T13:48:43","modified_gmt":"2025-12-05T13:48:43","slug":"s02e06b-kobiety-w-biznesie-bonus","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/kariera\/dlaczego-capgemini\/benefity-i-wellbeing\/wellbeing\/podcast-lets-talk-about-wellbeing\/s02e06b-kobiety-w-biznesie-bonus\/","title":{"rendered":"S02E06b &#8211; \u00a0Kobiety w biznesie &#8211; bonus"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-hero-picture-card undefined  heroPictureCard\"><div class=\"heroPictureCardBgs\"><picture><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 1500px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=1440&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 992px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=1024&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=1024&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=768&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=768&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 0)\"\/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png\" class=\"desktopImage\" alt=\"\" style=\"object-fit:cover;object-position:57.99999999999999% 38%\" loading=\"eager\"\/><\/picture><picture><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 1500px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=1440&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 992px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=1024&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=1024&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=768&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png?w=768&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 0)\"\/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/10\/Banery-strona-69.png\" class=\"mobileImage\" alt=\"\" style=\"object-fit:cover;object-position:57.99999999999999% 38%\" loading=\"eager\"\/><\/picture><\/div><div class=\"heroPictureCardHeaderShape\"><\/div><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"row\"><div class=\"col-md-8 col-lg-6\"><div class=\"heroPictureCardBox\"><div class=\"heroPictureCardBoxTitle\"><h1 data-maxlength=\"144\">podcast let&#8217;s talk about wellbeing S02E06 &#8211; bonus<\/h1><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"small-device\"><div class=\"brandLogoWrapper\"> <\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-group undefined section section--article-content\"><div class=\"article-main-content\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"row\"><div class=\"col-12 col-md-1\"><nav class=\"article-social\"><ul class=\"social-nav\"><li class=\"ip-order-fb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/?page_id=894667\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"opens in a new window\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-fb\"><\/i><span class=\"sr-only\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"ip-order-tw\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?url=https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/?page_id=894667&amp;text=\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"opens in a new window\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-tw\"><\/i><span class=\"sr-only\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"ip-order-li\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/sharing\/share-offsite\/?url=https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/?page_id=894667&amp;text=\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"opens in a new window\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><span class=\"sr-only\">Linkedin<\/span><\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div><div class=\"col-12 col-md-11 col-lg-10\"><div class=\"article-text article-quote-text\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-kobiety-w-biznesie-miedzy-stereotypami-a-faktami-odcinek-bonusowy\"><strong><strong><strong>Kobiety w biznesie &#8211; mi\u0119dzy stereotypami a faktami &#8211; odcinek bonusowy<\/strong><\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Temat wypalenia zawodowego na dobre zago\u015bci\u0142 w naszych rodzimych mediach i przesta\u0142 by\u0107 ju\u017c tabu. Jednak nadal rzadko poruszanym problemem jest wypalenie rodzicielskie, a jak wskazuj\u0105 ostatnie badania dotyczy ono coraz wi\u0119kszej cz\u0119\u015bci naszego spo\u0142ecze\u0144stwa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>W tym odcinku bonusowym dotykamy wci\u0105\u017c kontrowersyjnego w Polsce tematu wypalenia rodzicielskiego i tego czy mo\u017cemy ju\u017c o tym m\u00f3wi\u0107 otwarcie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-zapraszamy-do-sluchania\"><strong>Zapraszamy do s\u0142uchania!<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: Kobiety w biznesie - mi\u0119dzy stereotypami a faktami - odcinek bonusowy\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/1zlxDKbcQURxF1f7CVHPVS?utm_source=oembed\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button is-style-outline is-style-outline--1\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/1zlxDKbcQURxF1f7CVHPVS\">Spotify<\/a><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-button is-style-outline is-style-outline--2\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/kobiety-w-biznesie-mi%C4%99dzy-stereotypami-a-faktami\/id1503394674?i=1000630778877\">Apple Podcast<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:57px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Go\u015bcinie odcinka:<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Monika Go\u0142y \u2013 Transformation Manager, wieloletnia liderka community Women@Capgemini Polska w Katowicach. Pracuj\u0105c kilkana\u015bcie lat jako people manager zdoby\u0142a wiele do\u015bwiadcze\u0144 i umiej\u0119tno\u015b\u0107 spogl\u0105dania na sprawy z r\u00f3\u017cnych perspektyw &#8211; r\u00f3wnie\u017c z tej kobiecej. Jej mottem jest \u201eIf it is to be, it is up to me\u201d &#8211;&nbsp; wierzy, \u017ce dzia\u0142anie i w\u0142asna sprawczo\u015b\u0107 pozwala i\u015b\u0107 do przodu. Wielbicielka aktywnego odpoczynku i rozwoju osobistego oraz \u017cycia w r\u00f3wnowadze.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Joanna D\u0105bek &#8211; Specjalistka ds. Proces\u00f3w Zakupowych, a tak\u017ce trenerka mocno wierz\u0105ca w to, \u017ce produktywno\u015b\u0107 mo\u017ce by\u0107 przyjemna. Pokazuje, \u017ce rozw\u00f3j osobisty, d\u0105\u017cenie do wyznaczonych cel\u00f3w oraz efektywne dzia\u0142anie nie wymaga \u017celaznej dyscypliny.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Monika Gawenda &#8211; Change Managerka z 6-letnim do\u015bwiadczeniem w IT. Pasjonatka Project Managementu i Employer Brandingu. Prywatnie przedsi\u0119biorczyni i mama dw\u00f3jki maluch\u00f3w.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prowadz\u0105ca podcast: Katarzyna Smuda, Healthy Workplace Lead w Capgemini Polska.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast Capgemini Polska<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Produkcja: Cleverhearted Showrunners<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dowiedz si\u0119 wi\u0119cej o nas na: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/kariera\/dlaczego-capgemini\/\">https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/kariera\/dlaczego-capgemini\/<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Je\u015bli masz jakie\u015b pytania z obszaru wellbeingu napisz do nas na adres: <a href=\"mailto:wellbeing.pl@capgemini.com\">wellbeing.pl@capgemini.com<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-how-we-do-it section section--howwedoit block-howwedoit\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"section-content\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-card-howwedoit expanders\"><div class=\"box card-regulated-agreements card-howwedoit\"><div class=\"expander-box filter-box tag-active \"><div class=\"expander-title\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-expanded=\"false\"><h3 class=\"expander-heading-title\">Transkrypcja<\/h3><\/div><div class=\"expander-content\"><p><strong>KATARZYNA SMUDA:<\/strong> Powiedzmy wprost, ka\u017cdy miewa trudne momenty. Co robi\u0107, \u017ceby sobie z nimi poradzi\u0107? Let\u2019s talk about wellbeing. To podcast Capgemini Polska, a ja si\u0119 nazywam Katarzyna Smuda.<br><br><strong>KATARZYNA SMUDA: <\/strong>Bardzo du\u017co czasu po\u015bwi\u0119camy w tym podca\u015bcie tematowi wypalenia zawodowego, kt\u00f3ry zwi\u0105zany jest z permanentnym stresem w pracy, kt\u00f3ry tak naprawd\u0119 dotyczy nas wszystkich i jest obecnie odmieniany niemal we wszystkich mediach przez wszystkie przypadki. Rzadziej podejmowanym tematem, szczeg\u00f3lnie w naszym kraju jest wypalenie rodzicielskie. Jak wskazuj\u0105 badania jest to obszar, o kt\u00f3rym te\u017c trzeba zacz\u0105\u0107 rozmawia\u0107, poniewa\u017c od 9% -do 16% rodzic\u00f3w w Polsce \u017ca\u0142uje posiadania dzieci, a podobny procent do\u015bwiadcza silnego wypalenia rodzicielskiego. Bior\u0105c pod uwag\u0119 ogrom stereotyp\u00f3w i temat\u00f3w tabu zwi\u0105zanych z rodzicielstwem, czy Polska XXI wieku jest ju\u017c miejscem, w kt\u00f3rym mo\u017cna otwarcie powiedzie\u0107, \u017ce jeste\u015bmy wypalonymi rodzicami?\u00a0<br><br><strong>Monika Go\u0142y<\/strong>: My\u015bl\u0119, \u017ce \u0142atwiej jest powiedzie\u0107: nie chc\u0119 dzieci i jest to m\u00f3j \u015bwiadomy wyb\u00f3r. Bo coraz wi\u0119cej takich g\u0142os\u00f3w si\u0119 pojawia. I to s\u0105 te\u017c g\u0142osy os\u00f3b znanych i to, my\u015bl\u0119 te\u017c pomaga takim osobom. Ale na pewno trudno jest powiedzie\u0107 komu\u015b, \u017ce \u017ca\u0142uje tego, \u017ce ma dzieci, bo nie ma na to spo\u0142ecznego przyzwolenia, \u017ceby powiedzie\u0107, \u017ce: nie kocham swoich dzieci po prostu, mam ich do\u015b\u0107. \u017ba\u0142uj\u0119, \u017ce podj\u0119\u0142am tak\u0105 albo inn\u0105 decyzj\u0119. Ale jak wida\u0107, to jest problem, bo my\u015bl\u0119, \u017ce to, co si\u0119 dzieje teraz w takim troszk\u0119, nie powiem rozpadzie rodziny, ale takich r\u00f3\u017cnych wi\u0119zi w\u0142a\u015bnie, te wszystkie przypadki maltretowa\u0144 dzieci, czy jakich\u015b takich sytuacji porzuce\u0144, to one si\u0119 sk\u0105d\u015b bior\u0105. I one, my\u015bl\u0119, bior\u0105 si\u0119 z tego, \u017ce w pewnym momencie kto\u015b po prostu ma do\u015b\u0107.\u00a0 I nie umie sobie z t\u0105 sytuacj\u0105 poradzi\u0107 w inny spos\u00f3b.\u00a0<br><br><strong>Monika Gaw\u0119da<\/strong>: Ja to mocno widz\u0119 te\u017c po swoim do\u015bwiadczeniu, bo jestem dumna z tego, \u017ce ja nauczy\u0142am si\u0119, to nie jest te\u017c jaka\u015b umiej\u0119tno\u015b\u0107 wrodzona i tak dalej, wi\u0119c jestem dumna, \u017ce nauczy\u0142am si\u0119 komunikowa\u0107 to, \u017ce mam do\u015b\u0107 tych dzieci, \u017ce nie zawsze lubi\u0119 swoje dzieci. \u017be s\u0105 dwie rzeczy, kt\u00f3re bardzo lubi\u0119 w swoim \u017cyciu, czyli przebywa\u0107 ze swoimi dzie\u0107mi i nie przebywa\u0107 ze swoimi dzie\u0107mi. I ja si\u0119 mega ciesz\u0119, \u017ce dopuszczaj\u0105c te g\u0142osy jakby dajemy furtk\u0119 tym osobom, kt\u00f3re nie s\u0105 tak \u015bmia\u0142e albo maj\u0105 z tym problem, bo ja si\u0119 wielokrotnie z tym spotka\u0142am, chocia\u017cby nawet w przypadku tego podcastu, gdzie zacz\u0119\u0142y\u015bmy gdzie\u015b tam dyskusj\u0119. Do mnie si\u0119 zwr\u00f3ci\u0142a dziewczyna z naszej firmy, kt\u00f3ra po prostu chcia\u0142a sobie pogada\u0107, bo czuje tak samo, ale nie ma tyle odwagi, \u017ceby m\u00f3wi\u0107 o tym g\u0142o\u015bno. I super jest to, o czym wspomnia\u0142y\u015bcie, \u017ce to zaczyna by\u0107 s\u0142yszalne gdzie\u015b w tam w mediach spo\u0142eczno\u015bciowych cz\u0119\u015bciej, \u017ce jakby odchodzimy od tej \u015bwi\u0119to\u015bci, odchodzimy od tej cukierkowej matki, kt\u00f3ra po prostu znosi wszystko i ogarnia wszystko i po prostu jest super i nigdy nie jest zm\u0119czona, nigdy nie jest niedospana, bo ogarnia. Nie musi ogarnia\u0107. I zdarz\u0105 si\u0119 te g\u0142osy, jeszcze d\u0142ugo b\u0119d\u0105 si\u0119 zdarza\u0142y te g\u0142osy, kt\u00f3re nie daj\u0105 na to przyzwolenia, ale to i tak si\u0119 zmienia. Ja si\u0119 mega z tego ciesz\u0119, bo to jest dla nas du\u017cy skok. I dla kobiet i dla ojc\u00f3w te\u017c, bo ojciec s\u0142ysz\u0105c to, \u017ce jego \u017cona, jego partnerka jest zm\u0119czona i ci\u0105gle niedokarmiona niejednokrotnie. On te\u017c dostaje sygna\u0142 wtedy. Nawet, je\u017celi to nie jest mu komunikowane bezpo\u015brednio, to on te\u017c dostaje cynk, \u017ce kurcz\u0119, co\u015b by warto by\u0142o mo\u017ce zmieni\u0107.\u00a0<br><br><strong>Joanna D\u0105bek<\/strong>: Takie g\u0142osy, \u017ce nie chc\u0119 mie\u0107 dzieci pojawiaj\u0105 si\u0119 ju\u017c, czy w mediach spo\u0142eczno\u015bciowych, czy og\u00f3lnie gdzie\u015b w dost\u0119pnej powszechnie informacji od os\u00f3b znanych. I \u017ce fajnie, \u017ce przez to troch\u0119 \u0142atwiej jest mo\u017ce powiedzie\u0107 tym osobom, kt\u00f3re dzieci maj\u0105, \u017ce nie jest a\u017c tak kolorowo. Ja s\u0105dz\u0119, \u017ce by\u0142oby dobrze, gdyby to te\u017c oczywi\u015bcie dzia\u0142a\u0142o w dwie strony, bo wiele kobiet wci\u0105\u017c si\u0119 boi powiedzie\u0107: Nie, ja nie chc\u0119 mie\u0107 dzieci. To jest m\u00f3j wyb\u00f3r, ja nie chc\u0119 mie\u0107 dzieci. To nie jest co\u015b, co m\u00f3wi si\u0119 \u015bmia\u0142o wci\u0105\u017c w Polsce, mimo \u017ce jasne, wiele z nas mo\u017ce tak\u0105 ma w\u0142a\u015bnie perspektyw\u0119, nie chce mie\u0107 dzieci. Ale potem pojawia si\u0119 1000 kolejnych pyta\u0144: &#8211; A dlaczego?! To Ty nie chcesz czy Tw\u00f3j partner nie chce? O, a mo\u017ce nie mo\u017cesz dzieci, a mo\u017ce co\u015b? &#8211; I najlepsze, kt\u00f3re po prostu uwielbiam: &#8211; Zmieni Ci si\u0119! To powtarzanie: &#8211; Zmieni Ci si\u0119, wi\u0119c w dwie strony jakby to dzia\u0142a\u0142o, to wiadomo, by\u0142oby tutaj najlepiej r\u00f3wnie\u017c dla tych os\u00f3b, kt\u00f3re boj\u0105 si\u0119 powiedzie\u0107, \u017ce, nie, nie zdecyduj\u0119 si\u0119 na dzieci, bo nie chc\u0119 takiego \u017cycia dla mnie i okej, \u017ce Ty chcesz mie\u0107 dzieci, okej, \u017ce Ty chcesz by\u0107 matk\u0105. Super, to jest niesamowita rola, ale to nie jest dla mnie. Ja wiem, \u017ce po prostu takie rzeczy te\u017c ci\u0119\u017cko przyzna\u0107 i czy jest na to przyzwolenie? Mo\u017ce coraz wi\u0119ksze, ale czy wci\u0105\u017c jest ten strach? No, na pewno.\u00a0<br><br><strong>KATARZYNA SMUDA:<\/strong> \u017beby nie przegapi\u0107 kolejnych odcink\u00f3w, zasubskrybuj podcast Let\u2019s talk about wellbeing w swojej ulubionej aplikacji do s\u0142uchania podcast\u00f3w. A je\u015bli ten odcinek Ci si\u0119 spodoba\u0142, podziel si\u0119 nim z kole\u017cankami i kolegami z pracy. 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