{"id":894667,"date":"2023-07-25T07:31:54","date_gmt":"2023-07-25T07:31:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/?page_id=894667"},"modified":"2025-12-05T13:53:02","modified_gmt":"2025-12-05T13:53:02","slug":"s02e02b-generacja-z-bonus","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/kariera\/dlaczego-capgemini\/benefity-i-wellbeing\/wellbeing\/podcast-lets-talk-about-wellbeing\/s02e02b-generacja-z-bonus\/","title":{"rendered":"S02E02b &#8211; Generacja Z &#8211; bonus"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-hero-picture-card undefined  heroPictureCard\"><div class=\"heroPictureCardBgs\"><picture><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 1500px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=1440&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 992px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=1024&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=1024&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=768&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=768&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 0)\"\/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png\" class=\"desktopImage\" alt=\"\" style=\"object-fit:cover;object-position:32% 61%\" loading=\"eager\"\/><\/picture><picture><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 1500px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=1440&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=2880&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 992px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=1024&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=1024&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\"\/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=768&amp;quality=70 1x, https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png?w=768&amp;quality=70 2x\" media=\"(min-width: 0)\"\/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/27\/2023\/07\/ltaw-s02e02b.png\" class=\"mobileImage\" alt=\"\" style=\"object-fit:cover;object-position:32% 61%\" loading=\"eager\"\/><\/picture><\/div><div class=\"heroPictureCardHeaderShape\"><\/div><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"row\"><div class=\"col-md-8 col-lg-6\"><div class=\"heroPictureCardBox\"><div class=\"heroPictureCardBoxTitle\"><h1 data-maxlength=\"144\">Podcast let&#8217;s talk about wellbeing S02E02 &#8211; bonus<\/h1><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"small-device\"><div class=\"brandLogoWrapper\"> <\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-group undefined section section--article-content\"><div class=\"article-main-content\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"row\"><div class=\"col-12 col-md-1\"><nav class=\"article-social\"><ul class=\"social-nav\"><li class=\"ip-order-fb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/?page_id=894667\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"opens in a new window\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-fb\"><\/i><span class=\"sr-only\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"ip-order-tw\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?url=https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/?page_id=894667&amp;text=\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"opens in a new window\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-tw\"><\/i><span class=\"sr-only\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"ip-order-li\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/sharing\/share-offsite\/?url=https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/?page_id=894667&amp;text=\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"opens in a new window\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><span class=\"sr-only\">Linkedin<\/span><\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div><div class=\"col-12 col-md-11 col-lg-10\"><div class=\"article-text article-quote-text\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-generacja-z-czy-naprawde-sie-roznimy-odcinek-bonusowy\"><strong>Generacja Z &#8211; czy naprawd\u0119 si\u0119 r\u00f3\u017cnimy? &#8211; <\/strong> <strong><strong>odcinek bonusowy<\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>W poprzednim odcinku razem z przedstawicielkami Pokolenia Z obala\u0142y\u015bmy mity i stereotypy, kt\u00f3rymi przy niema\u0142ej pomocy medi\u00f3w obros\u0142y osoby wkraczaj\u0105ce w\u0142a\u015bnie na rynek pracy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>W odcinku bonusowym o to, co dzieli, a co \u0142\u0105czy najm\u0142odsze osoby zatrudnione w naszej organizacji ze starszymi generacjami zapytali\u015bmy przedstawicielk\u0119 Millenials\u00f3w.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-zapraszamy-do-sluchania\"><strong>Zapraszamy do s\u0142uchania!<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: Generacja Z - czy naprawd\u0119 si\u0119 r\u00f3\u017cnimy? - odcinek bonusowy\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; 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G\u0142\u00f3wne obszary jej specjalizacji to budowanie strategii i program\u00f3w rozwoju talent\u00f3w, zarz\u0105dzanie zmian\u0105 i tworzenie anga\u017cuj\u0105cej kultury organizacyjnej. Promotorka wellbeingu i zdrowia psychicznego w organizacji, szczeg\u00f3lnie zainteresowana tematami mindfulness, vulnerability i terapii poznawczo-behawioralnej.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prowadz\u0105ca podcast: Katarzyna Smuda<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast Capgemini Polska<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Produkcja: Cleverhearted Showrunners<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dowiedz si\u0119 wi\u0119cej o nas na: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/kariera\/dlaczego-capgemini\/\">https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/pl-pl\/kariera\/dlaczego-capgemini\/<\/a><br>Je\u015bli masz jakie\u015b pytania z obszaru wellbeingu napisz do nas na adres: <a href=\"mailto:wellbeing.pl@capgemini.com\">wellbeing.pl@capgemini.com<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-how-we-do-it section section--howwedoit block-howwedoit\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"section-content\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-card-howwedoit expanders\"><div class=\"box card-regulated-agreements card-howwedoit\"><div class=\"expander-box filter-box tag-active \"><div class=\"expander-title\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-expanded=\"false\"><h3 class=\"expander-heading-title\">Transkrypcja<\/h3><\/div><div class=\"expander-content\"><p><strong>KATARZYNA SMUDA:<\/strong>\u00a0 Powiedzmy wprost. Ka\u017cdy miewa trudne momenty. Co robi\u0107, \u017ceby sobie z nimi poradzi\u0107? \u201cLet&#8217;s talk about wellbeing\u201d to podcast Capgemini Polska, a ja si\u0119 nazywam Katarzyna Smuda. W poprzednim odcinku razem z przedstawicielkami pokolenia Z rozmawia\u0142y\u015bmy o faktach i mitach zwi\u0105zanych z okre\u015bleniami tej generacji, kt\u00f3rymi karmi\u0105 nas mass media. Na koniec rozmowy poruszy\u0142y\u015bmy tak\u017ce temat bada\u0144, kt\u00f3re jednoznacznie obali\u0142y teorie o r\u00f3\u017cnicach pokoleniowych.\u00a0<br><br><strong>AGNIESZKA WALENCIK:<\/strong> \u00a0To jeszcze jest wci\u0105\u017c zaskoczenie dla wielu os\u00f3b, dlatego \u017ce ten podzia\u0142 pokoleniowy na XYZ bardzo dobrze si\u0119 sprzedaje, jest niejako takim \u015bwietnym clickbaitem i niestety troch\u0119 wymys\u0142em marketingowc\u00f3w.\u00a0<br><br><strong>KATARZYNA SMUDA:\u00a0<\/strong> \u017beby nie pokazywa\u0107 argument\u00f3w tylko jednej ze stron tego tak zwanego \u201ckonfliktu pokole\u0144\u201d, do odcinka bonusowego zaprosi\u0142am przedstawicielk\u0119 milenials\u00f3w &#8211; Agnieszk\u0119 Wal\u0119cik, HR Business Partnerk\u0119 w Capgemini Engineering i wieloletni\u0105 liderk\u0119 zespo\u0142u szkole\u0144 i rozwoju.\u00a0\u00a0<br><br><strong>AGNIESZKA WALENCIK:<\/strong> \u00a0I oczywi\u015bcie, \u017ce istniej\u0105 r\u00f3\u017cnice pod k\u0105tem podej\u015bcia do pracy pomi\u0119dzy osob\u0105, kt\u00f3ra jest na mened\u017cerskim stanowisku w wieku 40 lat, a t\u0105 tak zwan\u0105 \u201czetk\u0105\u201d, kt\u00f3ra dopiero wesz\u0142a na ten rynek pracy i to jest jej pierwsza praca. Natomiast te r\u00f3\u017cnice wcale nie wynikaj\u0105 z tych r\u00f3\u017cnic pokoleniowych, ale one wynikaj\u0105 przede wszystkim z wieku, z cyklu \u017cycia, tego, w jakim etapie \u017cycia jestem i z r\u00f3\u017cnych czynnik\u00f3w, kt\u00f3re wp\u0142ywaj\u0105 na nasze przekonania, my\u015blenie, zachowania, kt\u00f3re si\u0119 dziej\u0105 spo\u0142ecznie i ekonomicznie, cyfrowo te\u017c, jakby du\u017ca ta rewolucja cyfrowa, digitalowa, kt\u00f3ra wp\u0142ywa tak naprawd\u0119 na wszystkie pokolenia.\u00a0<br><br><strong>KATARZYNA SMUDA:\u00a0<\/strong> Czyli gdyby\u015bmy wsadzili baby boomers\u00f3w i milenials\u00f3w w okres czasu, w kt\u00f3rym wychowa\u0142y si\u0119 zetki, to zachowywaliby si\u0119 tak samo?\u00a0<br><br><strong>AGNIESZKA WALENCIK: <\/strong>\u00a0No tak, to nie jest kwestia, wiesz, roku urodzenia i te\u017c we\u017amy pod uwag\u0119, \u017ce starsze pokolenia te\u017c do\u015bwiadczaj\u0105 cyfryzacji, tak? Te\u017c musz\u0105 si\u0119 jej nauczy\u0107. Oczywi\u015bcie, \u017ce ucz\u0105 si\u0119 jej inaczej, tak? I w inny spos\u00f3b j\u0105 wykorzystuj\u0105 ni\u017c m\u0142odsze pokolenie, kt\u00f3re ma je od swojego dzieci\u0144stwa. Ale to naprawd\u0119 nie wp\u0142ywa wcale na ich zaanga\u017cowanie w prac\u0119 i nawet ta ma\u0142a r\u00f3\u017cnica, o kt\u00f3rej powiedzia\u0142am, czyli zadowolenia z pracy, ona prawdopodobnie bardziej wynika z tego, \u017ce raz, wiek, dwa, no jak masz okre\u015blony wiek, to te\u017c najcz\u0119\u015bciej masz ju\u017c inne stanowisko w pracy, inne do\u015bwiadczenie. Jak masz wi\u0119kszy sta\u017c pracy i wy\u017csze stanowisko, jakby wp\u0142ywa to te\u017c na to, jaka jest rotacja na tych stanowiskach, jakie jest zadowolenie z pracy, wi\u0119c w og\u00f3le to s\u0105 rzeczy niepor\u00f3wnywalne tak naprawd\u0119, nie? Bo s\u0105 w zupe\u0142nie innym etapie \u017cyciowym i na innych stanowiskach te osoby. I tak naprawd\u0119, ja tak z u\u015bmiechem o tym m\u00f3wi\u0119, \u017ce to jest chwyt marketingowc\u00f3w, fajnie si\u0119 to sprzedaje, fajnie si\u0119 klika, natomiast to jest te\u017c bardzo szkodliwa sytuacja, dlatego \u017ce prowadzi do umacniania stereotyp\u00f3w, prowadzi do uprzedze\u0144 tak naprawd\u0119. Bo my si\u0119 fiksujemy na tym, to pokolenie jest z\u0142e, bo jest m\u0142ody, niezaanga\u017cowany albo to pokolenie jest z\u0142e X-\u00f3w czy baby boomers\u00f3w, bo oni s\u0105 tacy sztywni, w og\u00f3le nie dbaj\u0105 o sw\u00f3j wellbeing i tworz\u0105 t\u0105 kultur\u0119 takiego zarobienia si\u0119 do granic mo\u017cliwo\u015bci, nie? I tak naprawd\u0119 my zamiast skupia\u0107 si\u0119 na tym, jak ze sob\u0105 razem pracowa\u0107, mierz\u0105c si\u0119 z tymi wyzwaniami, z kt\u00f3rymi wszyscy si\u0119 mierzymy, zwi\u0105zanymi ze zmianami spo\u0142ecznymi, ekonomicznymi, cyfrowymi, to my si\u0119 fiksujemy na tym, jakie s\u0105 mi\u0119dzy nami r\u00f3\u017cnice. I popatrz Kasia, ile firmy inwestuj\u0105 te\u017c w to, \u017ceby nie wiem, przeszkoli\u0107 mened\u017cer\u00f3w z tego, jak si\u0119 tam komunikowa\u0107 z tymi m\u0142odszymi pokoleniami. Wrzucamy je do jednego wora i dla tej etykiety generacji Z czy generacji Y wrzucamy po prostu ca\u0142\u0105 mas\u0119 stereotyp\u00f3w, kt\u00f3re naturalnie prowadz\u0105 nas do uprzedze\u0144, czasem mog\u0105 nas wr\u0119cz prowadzi\u0107 do dyskryminacji. Tutaj my\u015bl\u0119, \u017ce jest wa\u017cna rola pracodawcy, ale nie z takiego punktu widzenia, \u017ce zobaczmy, jakie s\u0105 mi\u0119dzy nimi r\u00f3\u017cnice, wrzu\u0107my wszystkich do jednego worka, bo urodzi\u0142 si\u0119 w 90. roku albo w 80. roku, wi\u0119c tych potraktujemy tak, a tych inaczej. To my\u015bl\u0119 sobie, \u017ce mened\u017cerowie powinni jednak stara\u0107 si\u0119 rozwi\u0105zywa\u0107 swoje problemy w organizacji i w swoich zespo\u0142ach, dostosowuj\u0105c rozwi\u0105zania do konkretnych indywidu\u00f3w, bym powiedzia\u0142a, i konkretnych grup, wcale nie w podziale na pokolenia, tak? To obalanie tego mitu pokole\u0144 spotka\u0142o si\u0119 teraz z tymi promotorami mimo wszystko tych etykiet, z takim podej\u015bciem, \u017ce no to w zasadzie te pokolenia to tak nie do ko\u0144ca musz\u0105 by\u0107 zwi\u0105zane z rokiem urodzenia, tylko mo\u017ce by\u0107 kto\u015b, kto jest nawet 60-latkiem, a ma mentalno\u015b\u0107 generacji Z. No to po co w og\u00f3le m\u00f3wimy o pokoleniach, tak? Po co nazywamy to pokoleniami i koncentrujemy ludzi na tym, \u017ceby jednak skupiali si\u0119 na tym roku urodzenia? No bo jak pokolenie, no to rok urodzenia, naturalnie rzecz bior\u0105c.\u00a0<br><br><strong>KATARZYNA SMUDA:\u00a0<\/strong> I kolejny raz potwierdza si\u0119 zdanie, kt\u00f3re cz\u0119sto powtarzam. Zamiast szuka\u0107 tego, co nas dzieli, skupmy si\u0119 na tym, co nas \u0142\u0105czy. A dzielenie ludzi ze wzgl\u0119du na dat\u0119 urodzenia raz na zawsze wyrzu\u0107my do kosza. \u017beby nie przegapi\u0107 kolejnych odcink\u00f3w, zasubskrybuj podcast \u201cLet&#8217;s talk about wellbeing\u201d w swojej ulubionej aplikacji do s\u0142uchania podcast\u00f3w. A je\u015bli ten odcinek Ci si\u0119 spodoba\u0142, podziel si\u0119 nim z kole\u017cankami i kolegami z pracy. Niech oni te\u017c skorzystaj\u0105 z zawartych w nim rad. 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